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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 21, 2010 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

re: Game 5 Playoffs w/ PHI vs SF

Phil! just stoked it on The Nat'l Anthem!
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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 21, 2010 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

anybody tape that? can I get a copy, please?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 21, 2010 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

That land-of-the-free fist pump is a regular thing, eh?

Once again, my family declared it terrible.

I'm sure it'll be on youtube in a few minutes if it isn't already.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 21, 2010 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Oh, it's dorky. But hey, Phil has always been dorky. And I mean that in a good way :-)

Seriously, though, I feel another rant coming on ...

Fist pumping to "land of the free"? Um, when did that become somehow "wrong"? Free is a good thing. When folks decide it's not, or are embarassed by it, or don't want to cheer "land of free," then they've just handed interpretation of the meaning of "land of the free" to those who want to turn it into jingoism or war-mongering or "free to be a really big corporation and stomp on everyone else."

Serious personal moment here. My husband is not American. He grew up under absolute monarchy and fought for democracy in his own country. He has been jailed for it, has had glass rubbed into his back, and a few years ago was threatened with arrest at the airport if he tried to go back home.

Trust me, there's nothing like reading old Tom Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence when you're in the midst of fighting against a real king for those very same freedoms.

America really did light the lamp of liberty for the world back in 1776. Yeah, the reality fell short of the dream then, and lord knows it's imperfect now. The ideal of Land of the Free may keep getting sidetracked and co-opted and interpreted in destructive or just misguided ways, but if those who truly value freedom are too embarrassed to claim that goal as ours anymore ... well, then, who will claim it? Who will interpret it, and how?

Just an early morning rant from a part of the world where people are trying hard against difficult odds -- culturally, politically, everything -- to realize that same goal of Land of the Free.

Which, by the way, also means free to protest and shout at the government and disagree all you want and try to make things a whole lot better than they are now, wherever you live.





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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

the thing wrong with our 'land of the free' is that everybody is afraid to 'offend' somebody and everybody is looking for something to get 'offended' about.
75% of the people on this planet subsist on less the $2 a day. but all we do is piss and moan about a half second digipop on a road trips or that the ia player doesnt stream more than one song.
we need to get some appreciation in this country. bunch of spoiled children we are.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Oh c'mon. People who live on less than $2 a day piss and moan about little things, too. And once they get to the city, say, and make more money and have a TV and all, they have a lot more new things to piss and moan about. That's just human nature. Or animal nature. I bet my dog is peeved today that my other dog got more belly rubs or something.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Only another dog lover knows instantly the value (envy too) of a good BELLY RUB!

It's the battle cry at our house...

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

i was thinking about a response to that post and i realized that any response on my part would be in futility. you actually drew a parallel between someone living in poverty and your dogs being upset about not being scratched enough. alongside appreciation, i guess i can add lack of compassion to the list as well.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Awwww. But one of my dogs was rescued from the third world streets. Gee, does that count? Also, I put money into a leper's begging bowl today. Am I still a meanie?

I'm tempted to get into a discussion on the meaningfulness of the $2 a day figure, but it's getting late here. Btw it's closer to half the global population, not 75 percent, and to make it meaningful you have to ask more questions. (Specifically whether the person is trying to survive in a city -- rent, food in the market, etc -- or has land that enables them to survive outside the cash economy. Subsistence farmers often don't "earn" $2 a day, but can lead healthier lives than many urban dwellers who actually earn more. Yada yada.)

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

while i may have no respect for the casually arrogant i do have respect for my elders. you are correct and i will defer to you.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Well, I was going to chime in on human nature (I am a paid behaviorist afterall), but I switched to snakes (they're nicer) and never looked back.

But of course, we always have things to piss and moan about.

What really pisses me off is that having been at death's door a few too many times the last decade, I had the feeling that I'd never return to that petty place, that I'd love every moment for the moment from that pt on if I just made it out alive. [It's happened more than once. You can buy the novel if you want the details. Most of it's here on the Forum anyhow, so don't pay top dollar, whatever you do.] I really thought that I'd never be "small" again, and smell the flowers, and hug the wife, and...and...

Guess what? It doesn't last...I wish it would.

Crap.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

thats too bad. i've been riding my wave for years now. my experience completely changed my life. 5 years ago i was smoking 2 packs a day. this morning i ran 3 miles.
i think the feeling only goes away if you loosen your grasp. its a great life if you dont weaken.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Crossed wires there; it IS a great life for exactly the reason I allude to...it wouldn't be so great if it were one big "high", IMHO. Take the good with bad, try to maintain an even keel, and have an optimistic outlook. You only get one chance, right? If we differ on that (ahem, "afterlife"), then we probably might as well agree to disagree right now. No hard feelings.

Just for the record, everyone that knows me thinks I am the sappiest, Polly Anna they've ever met, so don't confuse the realism with cynicism (though Rob will let you know I got my share of that too...).

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Even the most ecstatic moments, the ones that you think are etched into the very bedrock of your being, become no more than the memory of a memory in a most dishearteningly short time. Happiness is addictive, evanescent and unreproducible.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

i have to disagree with you. children are a reproducing happiness daily, completely unbound with their energy flowing freely everywhere.
and the ecstatic moments of memory are not where its at. those memories change as your perspective changes. being in the present moment rushing headlong into the unknown, constant change in the midst of chaos is where its at.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Ah, but then they become adolescents! :-)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Come on, children aren't happiness machines - there may be happiness in the moment but the moment passes and gets confused with passages of frustration and anger and helplessness and incomprehension and it all gets blended together in the falsity of memory. If you think I was saying that memories are 'where it's at' you misread me entirely.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

You know, of course, this is nothing more than a variation on the theme of our discussion of Odysseus and his rejection of immortality, eh? Seems related to me anyhow.

Who wants immortality and nothing but joy and eternal happiness (= bored outta my gourd)? Well, okay, maybe I'll weaken and ask for it when the day comes, but til then...

And, just for the record, of course I find great happiness in many of the things the other poster (sorry, don't recall the exact name) noted, BUT one simply cannot (try as we might) EXIST in this constant state of euphoria. the brain just ain't structured that way--nor the heart, if we want to go that route.

Of course, if someone's sneaking religion into this, which I suspect, then we already parted company, so I won't bother. And I certainly won't bother YOU with that rant!

Right?

Right!


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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Oh absolutely right - we understand each other well.

I rather think that in evolutionary terms perpetual euphoria has to be seen as a distinct disadvantage - it's the dyed in the wool pessimist and cynic who is most likely to expect trouble and survive it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Is it hard to carry the weight of the world all by yourself?

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Vivian ?

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

hey you know the more i listen to the jerry garcia band i'm convinced that the version that has nicky hopkins in the band is my favorite. from 10/11/75 the first solo jerry takes in edward reminds me quite a bit of david gilmour. i cant think of another time when i thought jerry sounded like one of his contemporaries.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

A frothy stew
One part , condescension to even deign a response ,
and then the long knives come out .
Two parts of declarative barbs .
Make up your mind .
Is that the passive aggressive two-step ?
Where did you miss the 'it's always going to be unfair' lesson ? How would you know what it is to live on $2/day ? What if rice is $1 /2 kilos ? I am not saying that you have to walk in the same shoes in order to have a valid opinion . But , you can be miserable when your rich . You can be miserable when your poor .( It's just that it's much more comfortable being rich ;-). Can being the operative word in those sentences .
Please let us all know when we have crossed the line into an area filled with , a "lack of compassion" or the ambiguous "appreciation".

This woman is trying to redefine the policy of how to best aid Africa effectively . She believes most/all NGO's are incompetent and cause harm . She thinks there is a better way .
http://www.aubreygraham.org/

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

My top 3 reasons to get out and VOTE
-- this posting is on the Festivarian Forum (Planet Bluegrass)
-- Planet Bluegrass web site is home of Telluride Bluegrass Festival, etc.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

my top 1 reason to vote: because i have the freedom to do so.
and i agree with you wholeheartedly that we need to bring our people home and stop our wars.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Someone needs to get some perspective. And I don't mean Althea. The observation that finding things to get pissed off about is a part of the human condition so hardwired as to transcend circumstance is inarguable. That this may extend to other sentient beings (the fate of which, I need not remind keen readers of the forum, we should all cry over) is a point I would at least be prepared to give consideration to.

Oh yes, and toss in a few capitals now and then - they are important, y'know.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

sentient beings are quite often deluded about perspective also. i must agree with your hardwiring of the human condition. by my saying people choose the tiniest things in life to get upset about, i have proven myself correct by getting miffed about people taking the simplest of things for granted.
the circumstance continues in a circle you see.

and while someone dies of starvation every 3.6 seconds, i'm going to eat some lunch.
i'm a hypocrite, i know.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

It's not hypocrisy, it's just staying alive.


Given the chance, everyone would.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Hi Althea, thanks for that. Can't really disagree with you, though unfortunately it does seem many of the flag-wavers give it a very bad name. The mid-term elections here are so full of insanity they would make the most ardent patriot a cynic.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

I bet! I've been blissfully failing to follow that. I'm sure the usual crowds of flag wavers are veering as usual between robotically "patriotic" (as per their own definition) and rabidly anti-everyone else. (And just to be fair and non-kneejerky, I'm sure there are an equal number of rabid robots on the other side; they just don't froth in red, white and blue.)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 22, 2010 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

"Robotically patriotic" would be very pleasant at this point. How about floridly psychotically patriotic? Patriotism equated with keeping out immigrants, "taking back" our country from the so-called "Muslim" in the White House, repealing "Obamacare" (because you know, the death panel will kill your grandma).
Sorry for rant; the election will be over in a few more days and we can go back to quiet desperation ...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Oh, that's the rabid part. Though I like "floridly psychotic." Are they still at the Obamacare-will-kill-your-grandma thing? I'd like to think that literacy makes a difference in levels of sensibleness, but then, there's that example! Some people believe in ghosts and witches; others believe that Obama is a ghost and witch (and a Muslim one at that). The folks who believe in ghosts and witches cuz they're illiterate have more excuse.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 23, 2010 4:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

The "roll back Obamacare" battle cry has evolved basically because people need a hook to hang their fury on (given that Obamacare in reality hasn't hurt anybody, nor even really taken effect).
I started writing more about the current election nuttiness and some of its extremely unpleasant undercurrents, but deleted it ... about to go out of town, and don't want to start a conflagration here that I won't then be around to throw fuel on :) so I'll shut up.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 23, 2010 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

re: in a few more days we can go back to quiet desperation

The Roaring Silence!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

What your hubby did takes balls . That wasn't a peaceful stepping down of of the king , and then the Maoists ( seriously ) . Is the king trying to do a little coup ?
America has never been perfect , even in 1776 . For all of the failures , cruelties and mistakes , America is still our best hope for for freedom . If we were the country painted by some all in black , why would people risk everything to still come here ?
It's a fragile experiment this republic of ours . It always has been . We ought to keep that in mind . It could be gone in a generation if we don't keep passing the flame of liberty along to our children .

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Well said... America has never been perfect , even in 1776 . For all of the failures , cruelties and mistakes , America is still our best hope for for freedom . If we were the country painted by some all in black , why would people risk everything to still come here ?

It's a fragile experiment this republic of ours . It always has been . We ought to keep that in mind . It could be gone in a generation if we don't keep passing the flame of liberty along to our children .


re: why would people risk everything to still come here ?
-- The hype they get before coming here is lacking in diversity, lacking in honesty, and lacking in proper context, because we've lost our Press and News Media.

re: It could be gone in a generation if we don't keep passing the flame of liberty along to our children .
-- I think we're on the brink of losing it right now, because we've lost our Press and News Media.

Ludwig Börne, quotes about Media:
Only the suppressed word is dangerous.

Josh Billings, quotes about Media:
The trouble with most folks isn't so much their ignorance, as knowing so many things that ain't so.

Ernest Bevin, quotes about Media:
A newspaper has three things to do. One is to amuse, another is to entertain and the rest is to mislead.

Elias Root Beadle, quotes about Media:
Half the work that is done in this world is to make things appear what they are not.

Franklin P. Adams, quotes about Media:
When the political columnists say 'Every thinking man' they mean themselves, and when candidates appeal to 'Every intelligent voter' they mean everybody who is going to vote for them.

Spiro Agnew, quotes about Media:
The American people should be made aware of the trend toward monopolization of the great public information vehicles and the concentration of more and more power over public opinion in fewer and fewer hands.

Gary Allen, quotes about Media:
We believe the picture painters of the mass media are artfully creating landscapes for us which deliberately hide the real picture.

Pierre-Augustin Beaumarchais, quotes about Media:
As long as I don't write about the government, religion, politics, and other institutions, I am free to print anything.

Saul Bellow, quotes about Media:
Open discussion of many major public questions has for some time now been taboo. We can’t open our mouths without being denounced as racists, misogynists, supremacists, imperialists or fascists. As for the media, they stand ready to trash anyone so designated.

W. Lance Bennett, quotes about Media:
Perhaps the most obvious political effect of controlled news is the advantage it gives powerful people in getting their issues on the political agenda and defining those issues in ways likely to influence their resolution.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Monte , Let me know what you think .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7iUvjHgQBQ&;

Wagon Wheel Is A Must

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmQLlSj0sb0&;feature=related

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2010 12:31pm
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Those 2 Johnny Possum videos are very nice. Pretty sound. Tight vocal harmony. Good stuff. I'm not much of a music critic. The sound equipment is so perfect these days. I miss the "raw" sound of live music, like in the older days. It's just a wee-bit too perfect-sounding for me, is all. Lot's of groups these days come across this way to me.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Selective quotations is such a fun game to play:

Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth.
Ludwig Borne

About the most originality that any writer can hope to achieve honestly is to steal with good judgment.
Josh Billings

Unintelligent people always look for a scapegoat.
Ernest Bevin

Having imagination it takes you an hour to write a paragraph that if you were unimaginative would take you only a minute.
Franklin Pierce Adams

I apologize for lying to you. I promise I won't deceive you except in matters of this sort.
Spiro T. Agnew

the most effective weapons used against the conspiratorial theory of history are ridicule and satire
Gary Allen

It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
Pierre de Beaumarchais

Everybody needs his memories. They keep the wolf of insignificance from the door.
Saul Bellow


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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:26pm
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"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, porcelain, and the Grateful Dead."
-- John Adams

"I'm Uncle Sam, that's who I am
Been hidin' out in a rock 'n' roll band"
-- Ben Franklin

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:43pm
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I never knew . How cool is that ?
Imagine if we had some more of their words gracing our forum .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 23, 2010 4:09am
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A fun thread would be to try to guess what their favorite songs would have been ...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 23, 2010 10:09am
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Ben Franklin's would have to be Playin' In The Band.


(Some folks up in treetops...)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 23, 2010 9:49am
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How come Loose Lucy and Thomas Jefferson just popped into my head ? That doesn't seem correct .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 8:35pm
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More natural history.

Ignorance of the natural world is sadly lacking. On "both" (all?) sides so often...

Conservatives and liberals often have it wrong; Hunters usually have it wrong; Disney and the Lion King, and so many average folks have it wrong; many environmentalists have it wrong; PETA folks have it wrong.

That's a lot of wrongs...most issues just have three sides: left, right, and somewhere in the middle. Natural history has the religious perspective (consumptive), the conservative (politically speaking, exploitative), the liberal (preservationist), the radical left (animal rights), blah, blah, blah. But I split hairs, and digress.

Way to go Rangers!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:28am
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Again, well said Monte... but I wouldn't stop there. True, our Press and Media seems to have lost their voice, but who is to blame for this? Yes, the rich and powerful have taken over our outlets, but we've allowed this to happen on OUR watch. The Supreme Court now allows secret contributors for shadowy political organizations that poison the airwaves. We the people bear some responsibility - with the exception of a few like yourself, we've lost the will to protest, and hearken like sheep to the voices of sycophants and media bullies.

"The media" is an easy target. Americans aren't willing to spend the time reading any more, newspapers are dying and gone, and there's so few voices left crying out in the wilderness. Or perhaps the reverse is true - we're swamped with so much misinformation, we can't see the forest for the trees.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:24am
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Good quotes. However, a quick reality check re:

>why would people risk everything to still come here ?
-- The hype they get before coming here is lacking in diversity, lacking in honesty, and lacking in proper context, because we've lost our Press and News Media.

The first part is sorta kinda true. But the US Press and News Media don't matter for squat here in the "third world;" nobody sees them or reads them. Hollywood does matter (particularly in its dumbest, you-don't-need-English-to-get-it versions), and the lowest common denominator of pop culture matters most of all, sadly.

But people, frankly, go to the US for one reason: Economics. They're often sadly misinformed about what they can earn and what life is like (see the pop culture reference above); still, it's remarkable how much they do end up putting aside.

Yes, people want freedom -- they do aspire to the values that were articulated back in 1776 -- but that's a philosophical drive, and they want it in their homelands where there's family, friends, a common culture, etc. Philosophy inspires movements, but it doesn't tend to pull people across the oceans. That's the dollar. (And, btw, folks hereabouts also risk a heck of a lot to go to the UK, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Malaysia, etc. Any place that can enable them to get the funds to buy land, build a house, or otherwise make a better life.)



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:27am
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Look two or three generations down from that immigrant . The Irish , the Italians , the Jews , ect. That's what makes the sacrifice so dear .
People have always moved for 'money'. Horses , iron , gold , oil , ect.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Well, yeah. I'll modify what I said about money to include children. That's another thing immigrants do say: that their life is hard, they'll never quite adjust, but their children will have a better life.

I don't, for the record, think that's necessarily true. It's sometimes true, and it's literally true economically and career opportunity-wise. But comparing the kinds of freedoms kids can have growing up in a village with what faces them in an American childhood ... well, that's a reeeeaally long discussion!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Yes , it would be . And one that would be fun .
But there are too many words for us to have it here .
Unless I can get A. to crank out a 10 page ( at least ), double spaced position paper to get the ball rolling . Then you can strain ( as I had to ) to get your little wonder to focus on a response .....

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Oct 21, 2010 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

let phil sing!!! here they are >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqzSUftVP-4&;feature=player_embedded

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 21, 2010 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

my screen-capture needed a treatment - this pic looks better

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 21, 2010 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

dead-head_Monte-phil-fist-pump.jpg

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Poster: imgary Date: Oct 21, 2010 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

an anthem of war for a country that seems to be constantly at war ... still.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 21, 2010 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Agreed. Hard to miss all the wars.

We need peace and reconciliation - like, yesterday. Today, we need to bring all our troops home immediately.

Click here, to begin this journey.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

I LOVED it!! Skinny ole Phil just thrust his fist up like the Statue of Liberty, blew me away! Not bad vocals either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUoGwrjwrL0